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Thu Aug 10 2023 23:05:58

Sellers Turn to Black Market to Get Accounts Back

By: Ina Steiner

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There's an active black market for Amazon sellers looking to get their accounts reinstated and help them get an edge over rivals, according to CNBC, which found an instant-messaging group of over 13,000 members seeking and offering such services - and that wasn't the only group they found.

The news outlet reported that some Amazon employees leaked the data in exchange for money, and said it found that the company had an internal team dedicated to investigating employees suspected of corruption.

The information about the practices is shocking, but not exactly new. Some of the information sellers seek to help them appeal their suspensions is referred to as "annotations." Last month, one consultant charged by the government in the infamous bribery scheme detailed the role annotations played in his business in his sentencing memorandum:

"Given that these sellers were in the dark about their alleged wrongdoing, how to correct the problem, and when Amazon might recognize its error, sellers were frequently desperate and sometimes would resort to illegal means to obtain the information necessary to accomplish the goal of saving their businesses.

"The 'information necessary' was the annotations. Annotations were an internal record of the reasons a seller was suspended. Having the annotation - the written record of exactly why a seller's account had been suspended - was very helpful in devising a plan of action to get the account reinstated or explain to Amazon why the account had been wrongly suspended."

Some sellers believe marketplaces like Amazon shouldn't be secretive about the reasons it suspends sellers. It appears sellers who write their appeals with knowledge of the annotations from Amazon reps have a much better shot at getting reinstated than those who don't have access to the annotations - is something wrong with that picture?

As a matter of principle, isn't it only right that marketplaces provide customers (sellers) with the reason for their suspension? Transparency might also eliminate much of the illegal activity.

Information in the CNBC article also raises the question of whether marketplaces should ever have offshored customer service. Amazon "has in the past dealt with low-level, low-wage seller support staffers in China, India and Costa Rica who have accepted payments in exchange for leaking information," according to its reporting. That's not to say it's a "foreign" problem, but rather a "low-wage" problem. 

Even domestic workers are susceptible, according to government allegations in the Amazon bribery case, which said one defendant paid $18,650 to an Amazon employee located in Seattle "in exchange for misappropriated and confidential information about various 3P seller accounts."



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This user has validated their user name. by: Rexford

Fri Aug 11 06:19:23 2023

"Some sellers believe marketplaces like Amazon shouldn't be secretive about the reasons it suspends sellers."

Marketplaces should absolutely be transparent and let sellers know when they have been suspended.  What these billion dollar marketplaces get away with never ceases to amaze me.

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by: pace306 This user has validated their user name.

Fri Aug 11 08:33:24 2023

These marketplaces (read: ALL of them), act like bullies and tyrants when ever anything goes wrong, and sellers get treated like criminals or worse - usually for false, made up, incorrect issues.

IF a seller is ACTUALLY doing something wrong - then BY ALL MEANS - remove their accounts and inform local or relevant authorities, but when you hire stupid, dumb, non english, overseas CS reps who wont "actually help you" - this is what you get.

Unlike others here, I dont think that guy from NY (or where ever) was actually a bad guy. He (for money - and lets not pretend that any of this isnt about money) helped sellers get their selling accounts back and made money off it as well - so??

Amazon "has in the past dealt with low-level, low-wage seller support staffers in China, India and Costa Rica and other platforms do it too - to save $$$$ and look good to Wall Street. "See, we save 20 million on "staffing" - like Jeff Bezos cares about ANY of his smaller sellers. We know eBay doesnt, "they already ignore "the noise", and it seems that Etsy isnt much better.

These things happen because "Sellers", dont have a seat at the table and are considered expendable resources and NOT partners. eBay (for example) hasnt used the word "partner" in 10 years when describing sellers.

Amazon openly uses sellers to bolster its site and inventory - charging outrageous fees for it - but at least you get sales (unlike eBay).

Sellers are like paper towels, buy cheap (the ones that feel like sandpaper on your face or butt) use as long as you can, then throw away - and thats where the fault lies.

If you have done nothing wrong and you can get your account back this way - more power to you - these sites wold do just the same to remove you and not think about it twice.

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by: Opalie This user has validated their user name.

Fri Aug 11 17:43:03 2023

How many sellers have we seen on the ebay boards lamenting their permanent suspension for "activities that pose a risk to the community"?

Ebay's lack of transparency far surpasses Amazon's imho

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by: Stone Cutter This user has validated their user name.

Fri Aug 11 20:52:22 2023

*** It’s called arson ***

How can these e-commerce sites get away with ruining someone’s livelihood at a stroke of a computer key?

And is there really much difference between setting a business on fire or randomly shutting down any business without Due Process?

Stories like this frighten me, because the authoritarian has no boundaries.

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by: Snapped This user has validated their user name.

Sat Aug 12 05:18:22 2023

“… without Due Process”

The root of the weed that is cultivated by Corporate eCommerce facilitation today, right on down to this this thread’s example.   Chiefly because it’s not weeded out by oversight laws crafted long before the nuances of virtual trade were imagined.  And don’t ya know, those very skirts of Lady Justice will be the first place those responsible will hide behind whenever called to account for it.

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by: Zigmund This user has validated their user name.

Mon Aug 14 07:01:03 2023

Hundreds of sellers on RedBubble got suspended recently. I was affected as well.
Reason was that I was dealing in "suspicious" and/or "illegal" activity. In reality there is nothing true to this. Not even 0.00001%.  I had around 200 vintage images for POD which are applied onto different items by RB. Absolutely nothing was "illegal". Regular vintage ads etc. My efforts with explanations did not help. Every time I got a templated answer, sometimes from Bangladesh or India judging by their English. At the same time, thousands of other sellers with similar items have been untouched. So this is simply RedBubble "artificial-intelligence" acting as a rolling authority. Among other similar sites of POD, nobody yet has succumbed to using AI to decide who is "good" and who is "bad"



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